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Trinitarian Absurdities

Trinitarian Absurdities
By John Eckstadt
December 1964

“Hear, 0 Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4)

What does this mean? Does it suggest that God is absolutely one in person, or does it suggest that God is made up of more than one person? For centuries men have debated this issue.

Some say that the word one, does not mean that is connected together by one essence, or one in word for one found in Deuteronomy 6:4, “echud,” is they will accept only the Hebrew word “Yahid” as meaning one is an everyday word, and in a book the size of the many times. However, the Hebrew word “Yahid” is On the other hand, the word “echud” is found thousands is true that sometimes this word means one family, one tribe, or one nation; however, it is not the one that determines its number. A family, it is understood, is made up of many persons. This verse, however, does not tell us what “One” is; it tells us what God is. God is one; therefore we can conclude that the Hebrew word, “echud,” means the same as the English one.

The Trinitarians believe that there is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost; and that these three different persons ( I repeat, three different persons), each one distinct and separate from the other, is God in his own right. The Bible tells us that God is a person, not persons. Let us quote Jesus himself. In addressing Satan, He said, “Thou shalt worship the lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.” Why did Jesus not say them (plural), rather than Him, if the Lord our God means three persons and is not confined to one? Again Hebrews 6:13 tells us that when God could swear by no greater, “He swore by himself.” God, therefore, is a Him and not a them. Allow me to quote Galatians 3:20 in the Amplified New Testament, which is a Trinitarian work: “Now a go-between (intermediary) has to do with and implies more than one party- there can be no mediator with just one person. Yet God is only one person.” Did you get that? God is only one person, and that is exactly what Paul meant. How then can people say that there are three different persons?

Some Trinitarian Absurdities

Some absurd conclusions are arrived at if God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Ghost are three different persons. Let us examine some of them.
If there are three different persons, then there are also three Fathers, for all three manifestations are referred to as Father.

God is the Father of Jesus, and yet Matthew declares that the Holy Ghost is the Father. “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as His mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 1:18).
Luke declares that the Holy Ghost is also the Father: “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing that shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:35).

If the doctrine of the Trinity is true, then Jesus Christ has two fathers. For God the
Father is one of His fathers and God the Holy Ghost is the other. However, if this is not confusing enough, Jesus is also called the Father. Therefore, in the doctrine of the Trinity we have not one Father but rather three Fathers.

The following passages prove that Jesus is the Father.

Isaiah 9:6-“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Revelation 21:6-7 (Jesus is the Alpha and Omega): “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I (Jesus) will be his God, and he shall be my son.”

If we are sons of Jesus, then he must be our Father.

The Disciples saw the Father when they saw Jesus. In John 14:7 Jesus declares that they have seen and also known the Father. I ask you, dear reader “Whom had they seen?” The only visible image of God is Jesus (Colossians 1:15; Heb. 1:3). They could not see the Holy Ghost, for the Spirit is invisible. If the Father was in heaven, and not in Jesus, then they must yet see another. And so Philip responds with this request, “Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me. Philip?” Let us stop here to consider what has been said. Philip, did you ask who the Son was? Did you ask who Jesus was? No, Philip, you asked who God the Father was, didn’t you? If Jesus was the eternal Son, and not he everlasting Father, this was a golden opportunity for Jesus to tell them He was only the Son of this Father. But Jesus continues, “He that hath seen me hath sent the Father.”

According to the Bible, if the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three persons, there is not one Father but three Fathers. Jesus is our Father, and God the Father and God the Holy Ghost are his Fathers, therefore God the Father must be our Grandfather.

The Bible says there is One! One! One God the Father!

1 Cor. 8:5, 6 says, “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many). But to us there is one God, the Father.”
There is one God; who is he? He is the Father. Again Jesus warns us to call only one person our Father, and that is God in heaven. I f Jesus is not God the Father, then it is an abomination to call him Father.

We quote Matthew 23:9: “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” Only one is you Father, not three. Only one is to be called Father (God the Father).

Isaiah, you must have been wrong; you called Jesus the Father (Isa. 9:6). For only
God the Father is to be called the Father. No, Isaiah was not wrong, for Jesus the everlasting Father is God the Father. He is both God and man.

If there are three persons in the Godhead, then God is not one Spirit, but rather three Spirits.

God the Father is a Spirit.

John 4:23-24 says, “But the hour cometh and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
God is a Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

Matthew 10:20 declares, “For it is not ye that speak but the Spirit of you Father which speaketh in you.”

Jesus is the Spirit.

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his son into your hearts crying, Abba, Father” (Galatians 4:6).

2 Cor. 3:17 says, “Now the Lord (Jesus is the one Lord, 1 Cor. 8:6) is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

The Bible does not say that there are three Spirits but rather that there is one Spirit.

In Ephesians 4:4 we read, “There is one body, and One Spirit.”

The Holy Spirit must be this One spirit, and yet it is also called the Spirit of
Christ.

1 Cor. 15:45 says, “And so it is written. The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.”

“Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow” (1 Peter 1:11).

The Bible further tells us that this Spirit of Christ that was in those holy men was the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:21 declares (Peter tells us that this Spirit of Christ is the Holy Ghost), “For the prophecy came not in old time buy the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

The Holy Ghost is the Spirit of the Father and of the Son. For there is only one
Spirit.

If there are three persons in the God head, then there are three Lords, and not one Lord.
Jesus is Lord (1 Cor. 8:6-quoted above).
Jesus is Lord (1 Cor. 8:6 – quoted above).

Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father (Phil. 2:11). Why not to the glory of God the Son? Because there is no such being mentioned in the Scripture.

The Holy Ghost is Lord.

See 2 Cor. 3:17; 2 Cor. 6:16-18. The Lord is the Holy Ghost dwelling in and abiding in the temples of our bodies (1 Cor. 6:13-20).

God the Father is Lord.

Luke 10:21 says, “In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit and said, “I thank Thee, 0 Father, Lord of heaven and earth…”

Mark you! Jesus calls the Father Lord of heaven, and Paul calls Jesus that very same Lord of heaven (1 Cor. 15:47). “The second man is the Lord from heaven.”

The Bible does not say that there are three Lords but rather that He is one. Who is this one Lord? He is Jesus (1 Cor. 8:6).

Jesus as Lord is Lord of all (Acts 10:36); Lord of glory (1 Cor. 2:8); Lord of Lords (Rev. 17:14); Lord Almighty (Rev. 1:8); Lord God Omnipotent (Rev.19:6).

Who raised Jesus from the dead?

Trinitarians cannot say which one of the three persons raised Jesus from the dead. According to the Bible, Jesus was raised by the Father, by the Holy Ghost and by Himself.

Galatians 1:1 says that God the Father raised Him from the dead.

Romans 8:11 declares that the Spirit raised Him from the dead.

John 2:19-22 says that He raised Himself from the dead.

“Destroy this temple and in three days I (Jesus) will raise it up.” He spoke of the temple of His body.

If the doctrine of the Trinity is true then three different persons raised Jesus from the dead.

Who draws up to God?

Everyone believes that the Holy Ghost is the drawing power of God.

John 6:44 declares, “No man can come to me, except the Father which sent me draw him.” (therefore the Father draws us.)

John 12:32 declares that Jesus draws us himself. “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth will draw all men unto me.”
Which one is coming again?

If there are three persons in the Godhead, then two of them are coming at the Rapture.

The Son is coming. “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13).

I John 3:1, 2. God the Father is coming. The one who loves us, and will appear; the one to whom we shall be made in the likeness of, is the Father. “Behold what manner of love the Gather has bestowed upon us…”

Can you believe that two persons are coming? Can you believe that three persons draw us to God at the same time? Can you believe that there are three Lords? Can you believe that there are three Spirits? Can you believe in three Fathers? If you cannot say yes to these questions, then you cannot believe the Trinitarian Creed.

What do Trinitarians believe about Jesus?

They believe Jesus is the only Saviour. But he is God the Son, the Son exclusively. He is not the Father. In His deity He is not God the Father, but he is a mysterious Spirit being called God the Son. They will agree that Jesus is God and that Jesus is man. But they feel that as man He is the Son, and as God He is also the Son. On the other hand, they say that the Father is not the Redeemer, for the work of redemption is strictly the Son’s.

If this teaching is true, then the deity that was in Jesus did not reconcile us to Himself but rather to someone else, namely His Father. They say that when Adam sinned, we were separated from the Father. Another person, the Son came down and reconciled us to the Father. This other person was God the Son in the body of the Son of Man. The Bible does not teach this; as a matter of fact, it teaches that whoever it was that was in Christ, He reconciled us, not to another, but to Himself.

2 Cor. 5: 19 says, “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself.” Jesus states that the one in Him doing the work was His Father.

John 14:10 declares, “The Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.” Why did he not say the Son who dwelleth in me, He doeth the works? Because the deity in Him was the Father.
Again, if God is plural, we were reconciled, not to Him but to them.

If the doctrine of the Trinity is true, then our Lord, the Redeemer, is not the Father. Let us read Isaiah 63:16 to see if this is so. “Doubtless thou art our father (there is no doubt about it), though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, 0 Lord, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.”

Do you see it? The Father is the Redeemer Himself. If Jesus is the only Saviour, then He is the only God our Father.
According to Jude 25, the Saviour is the only God. “To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power.”
Jesus is both the Father and the Son.

Isaiah says He is both. “Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

John says He is both. 2 John declares, “He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both (I repeat for emphasis, both! both! both!) the Father and the Son.”

In Christ we have both the Father and the Son, and John calls this the Doctrine of Truth.

“But,” you say, “explain Ex.11:15: ‘The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ…’ Would you have us to believe that the Lord and his Christ are one person? Is not the Lord one person and His Christ another person?” The Bible states that Jesus is both.

Peter says that He is both, in Acts 2:36: “therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and
Christ.”

Thomas says He is both. “And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). There is only one God-the Father, and one Lord. Jesus is both
Lord and Father.

Paul says He is both. “… Christ is all, and in all” (Col. 3:11). Again he declared,
“For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Col. 3:9).
If there are three persons in the Godhead-that is, if Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three different persons, then none of them has all knowledge.

The doctrine of the Trinity states that all three persons are omniscient. The doctrine of the Trinity contradicts itself here. For, in a desperate attempt to show a distinction of persons in the Godhead, they demonstrate that the Son is inferior to the
Father. For they quote Mark 13:32 to show that the Son is not he Father. Once again, we believe in the Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost. And, to the amazement of many
Trinitarians, may I say, we do not believe that the Father is the Son. But we believe that the Father is in the Son, not that He is the Son. Jesus is both human and divine. As to his humanity, He is the Son. As to His inner spiritual nature, He is the Father.

Mark 13:32 reads, “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no not the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

If this scripture proves that Jesus is not the Father, then it also proves that Jesus doesn’t know all things. How come the Son and the Holy If this scripture proves that Jesus is not the Father, then it also proves that Jesus doesn’t know all things. How come the Son and the Holy Ghost do not know when Jesus is coming? If only God the Father knows this, and there are two other persons in the
Godhead, the other two do not have all knowledge. However, in John 21:17 Peter says,
“Lord, thou knowest all things.” He was addressing Jesus.

If Jesus is exclusively the Son, then there is something that God the Father does not know.

No one in his right mind can believe that there is anything that God the Father does not know. However, let us read Rev. 19:11, 12. “And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. His eyes were as flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written that no man (`no man’ in the original means ‘no one.’ See all other translations), knew but he himself.”

Jesus has a new name, and no one knows it but He Himself. If He is not God the
Father and also, thereby, the Holy Ghost, then God the Father and God the holy Ghost do not know the new name of Jesus.

Thus, we have found something that only the Son knows if the doctrine of the Trinity is true. How come God the Father and God the Holy Ghost are not included in this exclusive knowledge of the new name?

If the Holy Ghost is a person separate from the Father and the Son, there is something the Holy Ghost does not know.

Luke 10:22 says, “No one knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son…”

No one knows who the Son is, but God the Father. If no one else knows, then where does the Holy Ghost come in? And if no one else knows who God the Father is, but the Son, then the Holy Ghost does not know who the Father is.

If the doctrine of the Trinity is true, then God the Holy Ghost does not know the other two persons.

“Why then,” you say, “the Holy Ghost must be exceedingly ignorant.”
That is true if we accept the teaching that the Holy Spirit is one of three persons. But the Bible says just the opposite.

I Cor. 2:10, 11 declares, “But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea the deep things of God… so the things of God knoweth no one but the Spirit of God.”

Can you imagine! Only the Spirit of God knows the things of God. If the Holy Ghost is a distinct and separate person from God the Father and the Son of God, then God the Father and the Son of God are in the embarrassing position of not knowing the things of God.

Let us list the difficulties of the Trinitarian position, in the light of Bible truth. If there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead, then there are

Three Things the Father Does not Know
.
1.The new name of Jesus (Rev. 19:12).

2. He doesn’t know Himself (Luke 10:22).

3. He doesn’t know the things of God (1 Cor. 2:11).

Three Things the Son Does not Know
.
1. The time of His coming (Mark 13:32).

2. Who the Son is (Luke 10:22).

3. He doesn’t know the things of God (1 Cor.2:11).

Four Things the Holy Ghost Does not Know

1. When Jesus is coming (Mark 13:32).

2. Who God the Father is (Luke 10:22).

3. Who the Son is (Luke 10:22).

4. What the new name of Jesus is (Rev. 19:12).

Therefore, if there are three different persons none of them has all knowledge.

I thank God for his wonderful Revelation of Oneness. For the God of the oneness people knows all things. For what He doesn’t know as Son, He knows as Father. Since the Father is the Holy Ghost (John 4:23-24), it is impossible for the Spirit to know something without the Father knowing, for the Father is that Spirit. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three manifestations of one person, and when you join all three offices together in one person, He knows all things.

Jesus must be the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, for He knows all things.

It is the traditions of men that have made the doctrine of the Godhead confusing.
Paul warns us to beware of traditions that take away from the supreme deity of the Lord
Jesus Christ. He said, “Beware lest any man spoil you through Philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dewlleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily” (Col. 2:8, 9).

The Bible states that Jesus is above all (John 3:31). If there are two other persons, then Jesus is above them.

In Revelation 15:3, 4 we read, “… Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. Who shall not fear thee, 0 Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy…” If the Father and Son are two separate persons, the Trinitarians will have difficulty telling us which one is meant here. Whoever He is, He is the only one who is holy. I you say that only the Father is meant, you deny the Son; if you say that only the Son is meant, you deny the Father. We believe that Jesus is meant, and that He is both.

Read carefully 1 Timothy 6:14-16. Paul declares that Jesus is going to show us “…who is the blessed and only Potentate, the king of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality…” According to this verse, if Jesus is not the Father, the Father is not a king. And, since the same one who is King of kings and Lord of lords is the only one who has immortality, if Jesus is not the Father, then God the Father is not immortal.

All these absurdities come from the failure of Trinitarians to recognize that there are not three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead, but that in Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

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